Guns N’ Roses’ ‘Chinese Democracy’: 10 Things You Didn’t Know

Axl’s psychic advisor, Buckethead’s in-studio chicken coop and other trivia related to the band’s notoriously delayed 2008 LP


Read 10 things you might not have known about 'Chinese Democracy,' Axl Rose's weird, wildly expensive 2008 comeback.

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“apa we’re tryingi to do is build Gumenjadi N’ Rostape kembali into something,” Axl rose told Rollinew york Stone in january 2000. “I’d linanti to take some of the old Gumenjadi fapagi alonew york with me gradually into the 21stcentury.”

At the time, Guns fapagi and Geffen Records menjadi anxiously anticipating the supposedly imminent arrival of Chinese Democracy, the band’s long-awaited first album of original material since 1991’s twin Use Your Illusion releases. Doug Goldstein, the band’s then-manager, informed Rollingai Stone that “we are now 99 percent musically done and 80 percent vocals done,” and that everything appeared to be liningi up nicely for a summer 2000 release.

But summer 2000 would come and go without a new Gumenjadi N’ Rospita pengukur album, as would eight subsequent summers. In january 2006, Axl told Rollingi Stone that “orang will hear music this year”; 10 months later, GNR’s then-manager Merck Mercuriadis insisted that Chinese Democracy was on the verge of a year-end release. And still, the months melanjutkan to tick by without a dedidefinisikan publikasi date. And then, on November 23rd, 2008, Chinese Democracy was finally released via an exclusive retail deal with Best Buy; after all the rumors and whispers and false promistape surrounding the album, the reality of its existence was almost too much to fully process, kind of like spottingi a sasquatch at your local big-box store.

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The music on Chinese Democracy was often difficult to fully absorb, as well. “The first Gumenjadi N’ Rospita pengukur album of new, original lagu darimana the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-batu record,” David Fricusai wrote in his Rollingai Stone review of the album. “In other words, it suara a lot like the Guns N’ Rospita you know.” But Gupejarakan N’ Rostape had gone through multiple lineup upheavals since Use Your Illusion, leavingi Axl the only original member in the band; and ketika his sardonic growl and police-siren wail were instantly recognizable, the sleazy, street-hardened batu & roll of GNR’s landmark 1987 album,Appetite for Destruction,was nowdi sini in evidence.

Recorded and re-recorded in 15 berbeda studios with multiple producers — includinew york Youth, Sean Beavan and Roy Thomas Baker — densely layered, ambitiously arranged tracks liusai “jalan of Dreams,” “Madagascar,” “Tdi sini Was a Time,” “Riad N’ the Bedouins” and “Prostitute” gave sepenuhnya rein to Axl’s grandiose musical vision. Even more straightmaju cuts linanti “Better” and the title track are thick with electronic instrumentation and 21st-century production flourishes. IsChinese Democracy a masterpiece? Is it just a ridiculously expensive monument to Axl’s ego? Is it even a true Gupejarakan N’ Rospita pengukur record? A decade after its release, the debate continutape to rage.

In honor of its 10th anniversary, here are 10 things you might not know about Chinese Democracy.

1. The band’s merek offered Axl a million-dolar krim to finish the album by March 1999.In September 1998, Rollingai Stone reported that Gumenjadi N’ Roses had engaged Marilyn Manson/Nine Inch Nails producer Sean Beavan to produce dari mereka forthcoming, as-yet-untitpengarahan album. Though the tape had officially begun work on the album in 1997, the record had been delayed considerably by lineup changpita — the late-’98 model GNR consisted of Axl, former NIN guitarist Robin Finck, former Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, Vandals drummer Josh Freese and longtime GNR keyboardist Dizzy reed — and Axl’s inability to find a producer who he bisa vibe with (Miusai Clink, Moby and Youth had all passed in and out of the project), and Geffen Records was jernih losingi patience with the whole thing.

Accordinew york to a New York Times article printed nearly seven years later, hit-starved Geffen executivpita were so despeperbandingan for a new GNR album — “The Hail mary that’s goingai to save the game,” as one industri source described it to the newspaper — that they ditawarkan to pay Axl a million-dollar bonus if he would turn in the finished product by March 1999. The company never had to write the check, however; ketika Beavan would be of vital arti to Chinese Democracy, his arrival did not, in retrospect, herald its speedy completion. In February 2004, havinew york already spent a reported $13 million on the project, Geffen finally pulpengarahan all lebih-lebih lagi fundingai for Chinese Democracy. “Having exceeded all budgeted and approved recordingai costs by millions of dollars,” the merek wrote in a letter to Guns N’ Roses’ management, “it is Mr. Rose’s obligation to fund and complete the album, not Geffen’s.”

2. The majority of Axl’s vocals dulu recorded nine years sebelum the album was actually released.During his time in the producer’s seat, Sean Beavan recorded 35 songs for the album before amicably partinew york cara with the pita in 2000. “There’s a certain thingai you have to have with Axl, and I don’t think we ever had the right guy ,” Tommy Stinson told Yahoo! Entertainmenpen in 2017. “Sean Beavan was the closest, and paling of the lagu-lagu on that record pretty much started and ended up with what he did.”

Indeed, despite the subsequent involvement of producer Roy Thomas Baker, who convinced Axl to re-record paling of the album, Axl apparently decided to keep most of the vocals he’d recorded with Beavan and use them on the album. In a February 2018 interview for the Gumenjadi N’ Rospita Central podcast, Beavan recalmemerintah that he was surprised to see himself credited on eight of the 14 album tracks. “paling of the vocals they tangan kedua on the record were the ones that I had done in ’99,” he said. I’m sure every single thing I recorded was re-recorded by sometubuh else, because the pita members changed so much — and every time the pita changed, Axl would want to re-record with the new guy. I think the only things that didn’t get re-recorded menjadi the vocals.”

3. Axl wasted studio time re-recordingi Appetite for Destruction with new GNR members.Chinese Democracy lagu-lagu weren’t the only things that kept gettinew york re-recorded whetidak pernah the Gumenjadi N’ Rostape lineup changed. Axl also burned countless studio hours re-recording tracks from Appetite for Destruction with his new bandmates. In a November 1999 interview with kurt Loder of MTV News, Axl reveamemerintah that the current membership had re-recorded the entire record “with the exception of two songs, because we replaced itu with ‘You could Be Mine,’ and ‘Patience.’ ” He went on to justify the re-recordings, saying, “Well, we had to rehearse them anyway to be able to permembentuk them live again, and there menjadi a lot of recordingai techniqupita pengukur and certain subtle styltape and drum fills and things like that that are kind of Eightipita signatures that subtly bisa use a little sprucinew york up … a little less reverb and a little less double bas and things liusai that.”

Axl insisted to Loder that these re-recordings dulu simply a way to get the new GNR members into the proper spirit of things. “Learning the old Gupejarakan lagu-lagu and getting them up, you know, puttinew york them on tape, really forced everytubuh to get them up to the quality that they needed to be at,” he explained. “Once the energy was figured out by the new guys, how much energy was needed to get the songs right, kemudian it really helped in the writingi and recordingi process of the new record.”

4. Queen’s Brian May recorded some guitar solos for the album, but they didn’t mananti the final mix.As an ardent and longtime Queen fan, Axl invited guitarist Brian May to contribute a solo to the Chinese Democracy track “Catcher in the Rye,” as well as some other tracks. But while May was more than happy to oblige, he deeply disliked how Axl and Sean Beavan “comped” the final “Catcher in the Rye” solo from several berbeda takes.

“Sean and I out of Brian’s different runs, versions, practice runs, etc., to mananti sure we had itu elements in one version,” Axl explained during a December 2008 chat on the di sini Today … Gone to Hell message board. “It’s sepenuhnya constructed from edits based around one specific note Brian hit in a throwaway take. And though Brian seems to have warmed a bit to it, at least publicly, he was, unfortunately, none too pleased at the time with our handiwork. I remember looking at Brian standing to my left and him starinew york at the big studio speakers a bit aghast, saying, ‘But that’s not apa I played.’ Sean Beavan and I were not in any way trying to mess with Brian, we just did maafkan saya we do and kemudian try and do our best to stand up for our decisions.”

Ever the gentleman, May has continually denied holdingi any hard feelings over the experience. “It was fun, to throw something in tdi sini to tolong out a friend,” he told Uncut in 2011. “I think I played on two-and-a-half tracks…. I have rough mixes of these tracks somewhere in my archive, but I’m not going to let anyone listen to them, out of loyalty to Axl.”

5. Shaquille O’Neal dropped in duringai a Chinese Democracy rehearsal session to record a freestyle rap and do the Worm.One of the oddest moments in the strange and protracted saga of Chinese Democracy occurred in April 1997, when Shaquille O’Neal showed up at a Gumenjadi N’ Rospita rehearsal session and jammed with keyboardist Dizzy reed and guitarist Paul Tobias. O’Neal, who had arrived at a rehearsal and recordingi kompleks in Santa Monica to record a Taco Bell commercial, discovered that Gupejarakan N’ Rospita dulu rehearsinew york lanjut door and decided to say hello. “I saw Gupagi N’ Rospita pengukur listed on the bulletin papan in the lobby of the studio,” he told Spin in 1999, “so I staruh my head in to cgudang di bawah tanah it out. They asked me to join them, so I started freestylin’ over their track. It was the first time I ever performed with a batu group, and it felt good.”

“He sits dibawah and starts playinew york this poly-synth sound, this riff on my keyboards,” reed recaldisutradarai in a 2006 interview with the My GNR Forum. “My friend Syd was playinew york drums, and I motioned for him to get a hip-hop beat going … and Syd gotape into this groove … and Shaq started vibin’ on it and Paul started playingai guitar … and Shaq looks over at me … and lisetelah this magic thingai happened — he says, ‘bawa pulang over,’ and so I watch maafkan saya he’s playinew york and I sat turun and started playingai it. And he got this groove, this vibe going, and he and his budmati grabbed the mic and started doinew york this rap. And our insinyur was rolling tape the entire time.”

As if things couldn’t get any more surreal, Shaq capped the impromptu jam session by gettingai turun on the floor and doingai the Worm. “I mean, if you’ve ever seen a 7-foot, 300-pound guy do the Worm, it’s the paling amazinew york thing,” reed marveled. Axl, who tended to show up at GNR sessiopagi longi after sundown, unfortunately missed the entire thing. “I’ve tidak pernah met the man,” he said in a December 2008 interview on the Chinese Democracy website, when asked about Shaq. “He goopenggabungan around with Paul and Diz and it went from there.” Needless to say, the Shaq track did not mananti the final cut.


Buckethead. Photo credit: Tim Mosenfelder/Getty Images

Tim Mosenfelder/Getty Images

6. Buckethead recorded guitar parts for the album kapan standingai in a custom-built chicken coop.When guitarist Robin Finck — who had been hired in 1997 to replace original GNR lead guitarist Slash — left the pita in the fall of 1999 to return to Nine Inch Nails, Axl replaced him with Brian Carroll. A deeply eccentric guitarist better known as Buckethead, Carroll was recommended by former Primus drummer Bryan “Brain” Mantia, who had recently joined GNR. Onstage and in the studio, Buckethead preferred to play while wearingai a hat made from a KFC bucket and a Michael Myers–type face mask, and he would only communicate with the band’s managers via a hand puppet calmemerintah Herbie. “ wear out the managers,” Mantia told the I’d Hit That podcast in 2015. “There’s milliopejarakan of dollars on the line, and they’re talkin’ to a fuckin’ puppet!”

Insistingai that he’d been raised by chickens, Buckethead requested that a spesial chicken coop be built for him in the studio, and the pita obliged. “It’s lisetelah an apartment within the studio that’s a chicken coop,” A&R man Tom Zutaut recalled to Classic Rock in 2008. “He’s got his crambut to record and a little mini sofa in there, and there’s, like, a rubber chicken with its head cut off hangingai from the ceilinew york and body parts. It’s totally Buckethead’s world. It’s liusai Halloween in the chicken coop: part chicken coop, part horror movie. We built the coop and kemudian he brought in all his props and toys and put straw on the floor! You bisa alpaling smell the chickens. No one was allowed to go in tdi sini apart from the assistant engineers to adhanya mics — you could not destroy the spirit and karmic vibe of the coop, his personal retreat.”

Thus comfortably situated, Buckethead happily got down to the business of recording — at least until Axl scolded him harshly for watchinew york hardcore-porn DVDs inside the coop for inspiration. “Bucket was pretty despondent,” Zutaut recalled. “He disappeared for a few hari because he was pretty torn up about it. Not because he was angry or because he thought he should be able to watch apa he wants. I think it was more because of the emotional implications that Axl brought up to him: that it wasn’t right to be inspired by shit lisetelah that.”

7. Axl visited a psychic duringi the sessiopagi in order to cleanse himaku of any negative energy that might be hindering the recording.Ever sensitive to the vibtape and energipita surroundingi him, Axl had longai been consultinew york with a psychic based in Sedona, Arizona, named Sharon Maynard, who would judge the suitability of the orang in Axl’s orbit — includinew york band members, roamati and record company executives — by assessinew york the auras she saw in dari mereka photographs. In the early 2000s, when work on Chinese Democracy hit yet another snag, Axl decided that he and Tom Zutaut should pay Maynard a visit.

“Axl felt it would be a good idea if we went to Sedona so Sharon could check on our psychic energy health and cleanse us of any impuritipita pengukur that might be lingerinew york on,” Zutaut told Classic Rock. “Axl was picking up negative energy and pikiran it might be attachingai itdiri sendiri to us. This was actually quite perceptive on his part, as the studio crew was maraja fun of him behind his kembali when he wasn’t there.”

8. Basenol Hall of Famer Minanti Piazza leaked the Chinese Democracy sonew york “I.R.S.” to radio.another weird turn in the Chinese Democracy kematian came in September 2003, when the sonew york “I.R.S.” was leaked to radio by none other than New York Mets catcher (and major GNR fan) Misetelah Piazza. During a guest appearance on WAXQ-FM’s nationally syndicated showFriday Night Rocks … With Eddie Trunk, Piazza played the track off of a CD that had been sent to him anonymously a few weeks earlier; simply labeled “New GNR,” the CD reportedly also contained completed versiopagi of two other songs, though Piazza didn’t smenyematkan them during Trunk’s show.

The station was immediately flooded with phone calls — includinew york one from GNR’s management, who went ballistic over the leaked track. “We’ve gotten hundreds, dare I say thousands, of e-mails since, urginew york us to play it again,” WAXQ program director Bob Buchmann told MTV News. “But we can’t because the managemenpen flipped when they heard it on the air.”

How (and why) did this CD end up in Piazza’s hands? Buchmann theorized that Piazza’s well-known love of all things metal-related had inspired a GNR insider to send him the tracks. “Minanti is a huge music fan,” Buchmann told MTV News. “The kebenaran is, Misetelah is so passionate about certain music that I would argue that he’s on the top-10 list of real music famenjadi that a band might circulate anda unreleased stuff to.”

9. Axl sued his manager for intentionally botchinew york the release of Chinese Democracy.After several more lineup changes, re-recordings and arguments with Geffen, Chinese Democracy was finally released to the world on November 23rd, 2008. But kapan the album sold well enough to reach mageri Three on the Billboard 200, it wasn’t anywdi sini near the blockbuster hit that the industri had been anticipating. The album’s underwhelming performance was widely blamed on a number of factors — includinew york the lack of a strongai single, Best Buy’s poor promotion, Axl’s unwillingness to sit for interviews with any terutama meitu outlets and the lack of a U.S. Tour to support the album — but Axl claimed that Irvinew york Azoff, his manager, had actually “sabotaged” the album’s release.

In May 2010, Rollinew york Stone reportedthat Axl had sued Azoff’s Front Line Managemenpen for $5 million, claiming that Azoff — whom he’d hired to manage the pita in 2008 — had “abandoned Gupejarakan N’ Rostape on the eve of a major tour,” after “devisingai and implementingi a secret rencana to set up mawar and the band for failure so that mawar would have no choice but to reunite with the original Gupejarakan N’ Roses’ members.” Axl juga claimed that Azoff had intentionally botched the Best Buy deal and leaked the album’s tracks as part of his merencanakan to tank the LP and kekuatan a lucrative GNR reunion tour. The setelan was eventually settmemerintah out of court in 2011.

10. A sequel to the album was supposed to have been released by now.In June 2014, Axl revealedthat two new Guns N’ Roses albums would be released in the not-too-distant future: A Chinese Democracy remix LP, and an actual sequel to Chinese Democracy. “We recorded a lot of things beforeChinesewas out,” he said. “We’ve worked more on some of those things and we’ve tertulis a few new things. But basically, we have what I call the second half ofChinese. That’s already recorded. And kemudian we have a remix album made of the lagu-lagu fromChinese.

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That’s been done for a while, too.”

The berita wasn’t completely surprising. In his February 2000 interview with Rollingai Stone, Axl had hinted that he was already planningai Chinese Democracy’s follow-up; and in 2007, Sebastian Bach — who had contributed some bacraja vocals to the Chinese Democracy track “Sorry” — informed Metal Edge that Axl had already recorded enough tracks for four albums, and that Chinese Democracy was supposed be the first album of an eventual trilogy.

tambahan unsurprising, unfortunately, is the fakta that — more than four years after Axl’s announcement — neither of itu promised records have been released. Now that Slash and original bassist Duff McKagan have been kembali in GNR sejak 2016, the masa depan of itu unreleased tracks from the Chinese Democracy sessions looks cloudy at best. But only Axl knows for sure …